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		<title>By: Ted Erfer</title>
		<link>http://www.wineclass.net/Keith/we-need-your-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-2352</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Erfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I think you should return all their money and erect a statue in their honor in the quad down at wine school.  They have a point - they wanted a full bottle of wine and full dinner served on white linen and by servers in white gloves.  Oh - and valet parking.  Reasonable expectation given what they saw when they walked in.

Seriously - are these people for real?  I have taken lots of classes with Keith and others on his team.  They have all been worth the money and met my expectations.  I don&#039;t think the &quot;X&quot; family had any expectations - then merely had the chutzpah to complain and see what would come of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think you should return all their money and erect a statue in their honor in the quad down at wine school.  They have a point &#8211; they wanted a full bottle of wine and full dinner served on white linen and by servers in white gloves.  Oh &#8211; and valet parking.  Reasonable expectation given what they saw when they walked in.</p>
<p>Seriously &#8211; are these people for real?  I have taken lots of classes with Keith and others on his team.  They have all been worth the money and met my expectations.  I don&#8217;t think the &#8220;X&#8221; family had any expectations &#8211; then merely had the chutzpah to complain and see what would come of it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Transparent Company &#124; Food and Wine Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.wineclass.net/Keith/we-need-your-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-2347</link>
		<dc:creator>The Transparent Company &#124; Food and Wine Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The original post and the comments are right here: The Student X Letters [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, please do not be anything but who you are.  I loved your class, learned 1000% more than I knew about wine (didn&#039;t know too much) but, most importantly was entertained and left every class in love with life and good wine.

I will definitely take another class and hope to make the trip to France with you one day.  Cathy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, please do not be anything but who you are.  I loved your class, learned 1000% more than I knew about wine (didn&#8217;t know too much) but, most importantly was entertained and left every class in love with life and good wine.</p>
<p>I will definitely take another class and hope to make the trip to France with you one day.  Cathy</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can not make everyone happy, especially in Philly.  It is not your fault that they can not comprehend English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can not make everyone happy, especially in Philly.  It is not your fault that they can not comprehend English.</p>
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		<title>By: Yira</title>
		<link>http://www.wineclass.net/Keith/we-need-your-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-2339</link>
		<dc:creator>Yira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attended a wine tasting in Philadelphia, a wine and food pairing class, also in Philly (Many years ago) and recently a wine tasting at the Williamsburg Winery in Virginia.  They were all different in that the wine tasting just included a variety of wine with a little food like cheese and crackers and fruit, the food and wine pairing class was very laid back, no tux, no whites, just people mingling and trying to learn what wine goes well with what food...etc.

Personally, I like a relaxed environment much better.  I think this guy was trying to impress his party, trying to be fancy as they probably discuss wine at length and now it was his turn to show off.  He should have done his research for exactly what he was looking for.  

I will have to look into your classes next time I&#039;m in Philly--I have so much to learn.  Great website!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended a wine tasting in Philadelphia, a wine and food pairing class, also in Philly (Many years ago) and recently a wine tasting at the Williamsburg Winery in Virginia.  They were all different in that the wine tasting just included a variety of wine with a little food like cheese and crackers and fruit, the food and wine pairing class was very laid back, no tux, no whites, just people mingling and trying to learn what wine goes well with what food&#8230;etc.</p>
<p>Personally, I like a relaxed environment much better.  I think this guy was trying to impress his party, trying to be fancy as they probably discuss wine at length and now it was his turn to show off.  He should have done his research for exactly what he was looking for.  </p>
<p>I will have to look into your classes next time I&#8217;m in Philly&#8211;I have so much to learn.  Great website!</p>
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		<title>By: juliana</title>
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		<dc:creator>juliana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ve been thinking about this all day. although i want to agree with dale in that you fueled the fire, i think it is really student x that did. at any point did he ask you to rectify the situation? or did he just express his disappointment over and over again? i think that he should be clear about why he emailed you to begin with. does he want a refund? or just want you to acknowledge his complaint? my husband is in the restaurant business and gets complaints on occasion. it is usually someone who just wants to show that they are right and you are wrong. at a point you have to stand to ground for what you believe in and the product you gave them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve been thinking about this all day. although i want to agree with dale in that you fueled the fire, i think it is really student x that did. at any point did he ask you to rectify the situation? or did he just express his disappointment over and over again? i think that he should be clear about why he emailed you to begin with. does he want a refund? or just want you to acknowledge his complaint? my husband is in the restaurant business and gets complaints on occasion. it is usually someone who just wants to show that they are right and you are wrong. at a point you have to stand to ground for what you believe in and the product you gave them.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked at a kitchen store that does cooking  classes and we would run into this problem from time to time as well, people who paid for a cooking class and complained they didn&#039;t get enough food (even though, compared to other cooking classes the amount of food served, for the price offered, was exceptional and above standard imho).  When someone goes to a cooking class at a kitchen store and makes the mistake of assuming they are going to a restaurant there isn&#039;t much you can do to educate them of the error of their ways.

The simple fact of it is Student and Father X here both had expectations radically different than what the Wine School could have ever possibly met, and are most likely very used to complaining until they get their way from the service industry (I would wager that they&#039;re also lousy tippers and sent complaining e-mails or talked to the manager after a vast majority of their meals, most likely for not being given ice cubes with their wine).

However, it&#039;s up to you to decide how the Wine School&#039;s customer service policy would deal with something like this.  At the store where I worked, if someone complained enough we would give them some money back or a discount to another class, a classy way of saying &quot;we didn&#039;t make a mistake but we don&#039;t want to deal with  you.&quot; Certainly here you&#039;ve already gone pretty far in the opposite direction, customer-service wise, by publishing all this.  You may get some cheerleading and help establish the School&#039;s identity as &quot;the customer isn&#039;t always right,&quot; which isn&#039;t necessarily a bad thing. But I would say you should do something for these people by way of apology for any confusion, just to settle it all.  Maybe offer a free foundation class to the father for his troubles, or send the student a bottle of wine with a gift certificate to KFC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked at a kitchen store that does cooking  classes and we would run into this problem from time to time as well, people who paid for a cooking class and complained they didn&#8217;t get enough food (even though, compared to other cooking classes the amount of food served, for the price offered, was exceptional and above standard imho).  When someone goes to a cooking class at a kitchen store and makes the mistake of assuming they are going to a restaurant there isn&#8217;t much you can do to educate them of the error of their ways.</p>
<p>The simple fact of it is Student and Father X here both had expectations radically different than what the Wine School could have ever possibly met, and are most likely very used to complaining until they get their way from the service industry (I would wager that they&#8217;re also lousy tippers and sent complaining e-mails or talked to the manager after a vast majority of their meals, most likely for not being given ice cubes with their wine).</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s up to you to decide how the Wine School&#8217;s customer service policy would deal with something like this.  At the store where I worked, if someone complained enough we would give them some money back or a discount to another class, a classy way of saying &#8220;we didn&#8217;t make a mistake but we don&#8217;t want to deal with  you.&#8221; Certainly here you&#8217;ve already gone pretty far in the opposite direction, customer-service wise, by publishing all this.  You may get some cheerleading and help establish the School&#8217;s identity as &#8220;the customer isn&#8217;t always right,&#8221; which isn&#8217;t necessarily a bad thing. But I would say you should do something for these people by way of apology for any confusion, just to settle it all.  Maybe offer a free foundation class to the father for his troubles, or send the student a bottle of wine with a gift certificate to KFC.</p>
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		<title>By: Raef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is taking too much out of you (time and emotion). Love the candor as always though. You sure are passionate about your operation!

You&#039;ve got great advice above. Give the guys their money back, and then put it behind you.

More importantly there are a load of people out there who know your operation and its style, and keep coming back for more.

On the constructive side, it is always worth looking for improvement - and I know you do. Feedback forms for these events would allow you to both improve and give you a sense for the validity of such a reaction in the future.

Most important, you&#039;ve built a great organization in just a few years. Don&#039;t let the outliers pull you down!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is taking too much out of you (time and emotion). Love the candor as always though. You sure are passionate about your operation!</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got great advice above. Give the guys their money back, and then put it behind you.</p>
<p>More importantly there are a load of people out there who know your operation and its style, and keep coming back for more.</p>
<p>On the constructive side, it is always worth looking for improvement &#8211; and I know you do. Feedback forms for these events would allow you to both improve and give you a sense for the validity of such a reaction in the future.</p>
<p>Most important, you&#8217;ve built a great organization in just a few years. Don&#8217;t let the outliers pull you down!</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Frisch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Frisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 03:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith,

There&#039;s never much point in getting into an ongoing debate with someone like this. Would&#039;ve been better to offer half or all his money back and simply walk away. At this point, you need to decide if Student X is an influential -- does he have a wide audience online or elsewhere. If so, then apologize for his misunderstanding of the class and refund half his money without any further commentary. If not, you&#039;ve been more than patient in your responses so I&#039;d recommend ignoring the guy at this point and moving on...and remove the blog from the website. In other words, just put it all behind you.  (And don&#039;t change a thing if it&#039;s been working for you.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s never much point in getting into an ongoing debate with someone like this. Would&#8217;ve been better to offer half or all his money back and simply walk away. At this point, you need to decide if Student X is an influential &#8212; does he have a wide audience online or elsewhere. If so, then apologize for his misunderstanding of the class and refund half his money without any further commentary. If not, you&#8217;ve been more than patient in your responses so I&#8217;d recommend ignoring the guy at this point and moving on&#8230;and remove the blog from the website. In other words, just put it all behind you.  (And don&#8217;t change a thing if it&#8217;s been working for you.)</p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, while my first instinct would also be to explain and persuade (since you are correct), upon further consideration, I have to agree with Dale Cruse.  Additionally, adding a line to FAQs or the description of the event that as a class, this involves tastings of both wine and food, not full servings of each, would likely prevent this from happening in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, while my first instinct would also be to explain and persuade (since you are correct), upon further consideration, I have to agree with Dale Cruse.  Additionally, adding a line to FAQs or the description of the event that as a class, this involves tastings of both wine and food, not full servings of each, would likely prevent this from happening in the future.</p>
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